The Apologists of Danny Shelton et. al.
"I might disagree about informing the people that work around him"
What follows is an extremely disturbing serious of posts about 3ABN's laxity in hiring a number
of sex offenders without alerting employees of that fact. What makes the posts particularly disturbing
are the comments of avid Danny Shelton apologist
Bystander
(see comments about him at the top of
"Linda, You Are Crazy Like a Fox!").
It is strange that Bystander has access
to the type of information no one else seems to be able to get a hold of. Yet his conclusions
are ... well ... read them for yourself.
Two More Sex Offenders Identified
husbandoftheyear is a current employee
of 3ABN who uses a pseudonym in order to escape retribution.
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| husbandoftheyear |
Jan 19 2007, 09:11 PM |
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I wasn't trying to be coy, I just didn't think this was
a secret.
Since I have children, I make it a point to regularly check
the national list of sex offenders. It is a very good habit for
parents to get into and would suggest that everyone do this.
(Not to say that there isn't forgiveness and a change of heart,
but preparation is always a plus. And I wouldn't take any chances!)
There are two people that I know of that are on that list
that have been or are currently working at 3ABN. You may check
the facts out for yourself at www.nsopr.gov Just type in their
names or town and click for a picture.
One is Herb Grimm. He is no longer at 3ABN that I know of.
The other is Bill (William) Cochran who is currently working
in the Production department and on the Production Truck. I do
not know the specifics in either of their cases.
For the bleeding hearts out there, there is no mistake here
since their pictures are also on the site. It is as simple as
that.
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Forum: 3ABN
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Corroborating Testimony
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| JustTana |
Jan 20 2007, 04:47 PM |
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Dear HOTY:
I know for sure that you are telling the truth as I have
wondered for some time about Herb Grimm. You have answered my
questions because while I knew that he had moved down to that
area, I was not certain that he had ever worked at 3ABN.
So folks, YOU CAN TRUST WHAT HOTY SAYS because Herb's first
wife was a classmate of mine many years ago as was his twin brother's
wife. Herb's sister-in-law told me not long before he and his
second wife, Sue, moved down to Thompsonville that Herb had molested
her son, his nephew, when he was over at Herb's house playing
with his cousin. How many times this happened before she found
out about it I don't know.
Thanks for the honest reporting, HOTY. 
JustTana
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Was Anyone Told?
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| PeacefullyBewildered |
Jan 27 2007, 10:59 AM |
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HOTY, when you first brought up the fact that Herb Grimm
and Bill Cochran were registered sex offenders who work/worked
at 3abn I neglected to ask what I think are some important questions:
Was it common knowledge that these two men were registered
sex offenders?
Did the producers of the children's programming know they
were registered sex offenders?
Were all parents advised that both were registered sex offenders
so they could have this important information in order to make
proper decisions about having their children around them?
Or, were they allowed around children without any accountability
while those in charge crossed their fingers, held their breath
and hoped nothing bad would happen?
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Did 3ABN Know? Were Any Employees Told?
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| husbandoftheyear |
Jan 27 2007, 05:03 PM |
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Well, I can't say what people knew, obviously. Dan Shelton
and Brenda Walsh are the "Executive Producer" and "Producer"
of Kids Time, respectively.
The offenders could have lied on their application about
being convicted of a felony, I don't know. I don't know if background
checks are done on anyone. It seems to me that Bill Cochrans
was brought into 3ABN by a Shelton relative, but please don't
quote me on that. Perhaps someone has more info.
To my knowledge, the parents, children, production staff
were not told. So, the answer to the last question would be "yes."
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Forum: 3ABN
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Danny Apologist Bystander Tells All
- "3ABN knew."
- "Cochran's situation was consenting."
- "Not a child."
- "Parents pressed charges."
- "Not a child molester in any sense of the word."
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| Bystander |
Jan 27 2007, 05:32 PM |
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When I saw that you posted this sometime ago, I looked into
it. Here is what I found out.
Herb Grimm was never an "employee" he was a construction
subcontractor. Hardly a position to be around children. I am
not clear on this but I believe that when he moved to southern
Illinois with his family that he was not a convicted molester.
Those charges were brought (if I understood correctly) by his
wife during seperation and divorce and obviously was convicted
of whatever charges were brought against him.
The story on Bill C only takes a few phone calls to the
right officials. 10 or 12 years ago in a town in Southern Illinois
Bill was a teacher in upper high school grades or lower college
grades (wasn't clear on that) He made the huge mistake of having
an affair with a female student. (Not a child or even a young
student). Her parents found out and pressed charges.
It was not a Shelton (even though they are getting blamed
for everything) that brought him to 3 Angels but another worker
that was friends with Bill. The worker explained the whole situation
to management and said that incident was in the past, Bill had
paid for it, was sorry for it and had turned his life around
and just wanted a chance. Administration then called the sheriff
off the town that he was convicted in and got a glowing report.
Said it was a bad decision but the situation had been consenting
that he was not a (child molester) in any sense of the word and
he (the sheriff) would appreciate 3ANGELS giving him a chance.
Now to me, when the sheriff that handled the case says that,
that says it all. On the sheriffs recommendation and that of
the 3ABN employee Bill was indeed given a second chance. By all
accounts, he has made a dependable, respectful and hard working
employee. For those of you that have seen his picture on the
Offenders website, you can see he is not a spring chicken. I,
therefore, commend 3ABN for giving him a chance. That should
be what all ministries are about.
For those who do not believe this, get the info off of the
offenders website and make your own phonecalls to verify this.
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Aggravated Criminal Sex Abuse ... Under the Age of 18
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| PeacefullyBewildered |
Jan 27 2007, 06:03 PM |
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The web site says his crimes were aggravated criminal sex
abuse/victim 13 - 18 and that the victim was under the age of
18. While this young woman may have felt that the situation was
consenting, a young person under the age of 18 does not have
mature judgement and can be easily swayed by a person in a position
of trust like a teacher or a pastor. I can say with near certainty
that, as this young lady matures, she will have a much different
view of the situation and will feel betrayed by a person she
trusted.
I am not saying that he should not be given a chance, far
from that, but those he is working around need to be made aware
of his past so that they can help him with his accountability.
PB
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Bystander: "I Might Disagree About Informing the People That Work Around Him"
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| Bystander |
Jan 27 2007, 05:32 PM |
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I agree with your opinion of what the girl thought later.
It has been 10 or 12 years and I am sure she already does. I
might disagree about informing the people that work around him
for this reason.. it was quite some time ago, I believe he went
through counseling as part of his rehabilitation and most of
all because this was a one time incident and has never happened
again. Just a matter of opinion I guess. But the release of this
info from hoty was to imply that 3abn is lax in who they hire
while I wholeheartedly agree It was good of them to give him
a chance.
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Aggravated Isn't Consenting
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| husbandoftheyear |
Jan 27 2007, 07:57 PM |
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Okay, now you really cannot believe this stuff, right? Oh my, well what can I say?
Let's start with, yes I do believe that ministries and people
should accept that people can be delivered from their sins. Absolutely.
However, I do not think it wise to hire a known sex offender
for a position in the Production Department where there are children.
That seems like common sense.
I said at the beginning of this that I did not know the
circumstances in Bill's case, but I can say that you don't get
slapped with "aggravated" anything unless it was either unwanted
or forced. I don't believe it was a romantic liaison gone bad.
Since you know the story, I have some questions...
- Exactly how many convictions would have made the light
bulb to turn on?
- As you admit that 3ABN knew Bill was a sex offender,
where was the memo to the staff and parents who brought there
children into the station telling them of this?
- Wasn't Bill brought into 3ABN by J. Yeager, Dan's son-in-law?
Doesn't that make him a Shelton family member (you know, the
"ones being blamed for everything?")
- What is the difference in being an "employee" who is
at the station everyday around children and a "contract worker"
at the station everyday around children?
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Parents Pressed Charges? Then Must Have Been a Child
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| husbandoftheyear |
Jan 27 2007, 09:50 PM |
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Bystander, you said that this girl that Bill had the "affair"
with wasn't "a child or even a young student. Her parents found
out and pressed charges."
In order for them to do this, wouldn't the girl have had
to be under 18, a minor, a child, you know -- young? Just checking...
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Under 17?
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| PeacefullyBewildered |
Jan 28 2007, 10:32 PM |
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Cindy, you have 2 boys right? How old? After hearing the
testimonies of the Clem brothers and Brad Dunning, if you were
invited to leave your boys with Tommy Shelton for several hours
would you? If not, why not?
Also, if the age of consent is 17 in Illinois, then the
young woman who had what Bystander called a consenting affair
with William Cochran must have been younger than 17 to have gotten
him convicted of Aggravated Criminal Sex Assault Victim 13 -
18. Correct?
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