Where Does Pastor Doug Batchelor Stand?
One week after the decision by the Amazing Facts board to consider merging with 3ABN, there are still
a lot of questions:
- Has a merger between Amazing Facts and 3ABN already taken place?
- Does Pastor Doug agree with Danny Shelton and his apologists that Danny Shelton isn't going anywhere?
- Where does Pastor Doug stand in relation to the allegations and how they should be dealt with?
- Does Pastor Doug think that the allegations against Tommy and Danny Shelton are just gossip and rumors, as Danny's apologists contend that he does?
What little communication has come out of Amazing Facts only gives a few hints as to what the answers to
these questions might be.
"In Concept ... First of Many Steps ... Potential Marriage"
The following memo was circulated among Amazing Facts staffers.
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-------- Original Message --------
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| To: |
Office Staff |
| Subject: |
Update from Board Meeting |
| Date: |
Wed 4/18/2007 |
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Dear Staff,
We appreciate your prayers and support as our board meeting
met this afternoon to consider a partnership with 3ABN.
We have voted to move ahead in concept with the uniting
of Amazing Facts and 3ABN. There are still many details to be
worked out and so this is the first of many steps in this potential
marriage.
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If it's only a potential marriage, there ain't no done deal yet.
More Assertions by Danny's Apologists About Where Pastor Doug Stands
Before we post what little we have from Amazing Facts on how Pastor Doug feels about the allegations against
Danny and Tommy and all, here are several posts from Danny's new apologist, Eirene, that make certain claims about
where Pastor Doug stands on everything.
Of course, she may be lying through her teeth, or terribly mistaken. But without clear statements from Pastor
Doug yet, even though requested, we don't really have anything else to go by than what Eirene,
tomatoe,
Rosie55, and Danny's
other apologists are saying.
Re: Pondering Visiting Pastor Doug
The following post was made in reply to a non-Adventist posting under the pseudonym PJMusic. This is in
response to his idea that he might stop by to see Pastor Doug, to tell him how his Church of God pastor, Tommy Shelton,
targeted him as a boy and how Tommy molested and abused his friends. As far as we know, he has never been an
Adventist.
| Pondering Visiting Pastor Doug |
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| Eirene |
Apr 24 2007, 01:09 PM |
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QUOTE(PJMusic @ Apr 23 2007, 11:47 AM)
Only in this past week have I even known that DB even is in Sacramento.
Guess I don't keep up well. I am tempted to go and visit him,
but not sure he would even see me. I would just want to say who
I am, and where I am from (West Frankfort), even though I now
reside in Sacramento, and then how the coverup of what Tommy
has had an effect on me and the friends I grew up with. I would
hope that he would at least listen, although I seriously doubt
anything will come out of it. Although I don't really have anything
to say on Danny, I do have the issue of Tommy and what had happened
to my friends. I guess it's a more of trying to maybe personally
enlighten based on my experience of what had happened.
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And what is it you think Doug could or would do? I will
go through this one more time. There were never any charges filed
against TS. No coverup at 3abn ever even came close to being
proven, and TS is no longer there and hasn't been for months.
So, what would any of this have to do with Doug and AF? Should
I even have to add, again, that Doug has been clear that Danny
will continue to run 3abn and Doug will continue to run amazing
facts. THERE ARE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT ONE MINISTRY
CAN'T TAKE OVER THE OTHER.
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If you'd like to help Jesus mend broken people, why not go on over to
the above thread,
read PJMusic's post, and give him a little encouragement. Tell him that Eirene's attitude toward both
himself and the alleged victims of child molestation is in no way representative of Seventh-day Adventism.
Or, if you want to be yet another Shelton voice, telling him to get a life, get over it, and keep his mouth
shut, lest he get sued and slandered, you could tell him things like that instead.
If you've read a bit of what Danny and Tommy's defenders post on the internet, you know what we mean.
"There Will Be No 'Cleaning House' "
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| Eirene |
Apr 24 2007, 01:01 PM |
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Inga, I think by your posts, it might be conducive for you
to go back and read some facts here and at CF. Doug will not
need another 24 hours. He has said over and over he wants to
be freed up for more evangelism. The last thing he wants to do
is run 3abn as well as his own church and ministry. There will
be no "cleaning house." That is not Doug's position in this.
Actually the titles haven't even been voted on much less confirmed.
What he has made clear is that Danny will continue to run 3abn
as CEO. Safeguards are in place where one ministry can't "take
over" the other ministry. Even though it seems you are purposely
choosing not to acknowledge the facts, that doesn't make your
fantasies ,realities. Time will prove that eventually you must
let go of your "dreams" of what you want to happen, and accept
the accuality of what is going to happen.
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"Danny Is Not Leaving 3ABN"
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| Eirene |
Apr 23 2007, 02:09 PM
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Now Di, you are refuting every fact that has been established
and with what? What evidence do you have to back up any of the
allegations. DANNY IS NOT LEAVING 3ABN. He told it on the live
and he just said it over at club adventist. Maybe he didn't make
it plain enough for those that can't seem to comprehend that
he will hold the title of CEO over 3abn. Why don't you email
AF and ask them if DS is going anywhere? Because he is generous
enough to allow Doug to be given the title of President of 3abn/amazingfacts,
he has to now put up with this kind of grief from people who
don't know what they are talking about. This has been said and
said again. Contractually, neither ministry can take over the
other or Danny take dougs position or Doug take Danny's position.
Your remark that DS and 3abn is a liability makes no sense whatsoever.
If it was a liability, AF certainly wouldn't have chosen to be
a part of it. They have been a succesful ministry on their own.
Why involve themselves if it was such a liability? Your desperation
to believe what you want to believe is extremely pathetic.
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"Each Guy Leaves with the Marbles He Came With"
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| Eirene |
Apr 24 2007, 01:09 PM |
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No it doesn't mean defending lawsuits. It means just what
he said.
As long as there are those who do not comprehend legal contracts,
I will just keep repeating the same phrase over and over and
over. THERE ARE LEGAL CONTRACTS THAT MAKE SURE ONE MINISTRY ISN'T
TAKEN OVER BY THE OTHER. OR THAT 1 GUY DOESN'T TAKE OVER THE
OTHER GUY. AND THE FINAL WORD OF PRESIDENCY HAS NOT EVEN BEEN
VOTED ON AND IF DANNY WANTS DOUG TO TAKE THAT TITLE Danny WILL
STILL BE CEO. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL AND CONTRACTUAL
agreements THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AND ARE STILL BEING MADE, IS NAIVE,
SHOWING THEIR IGNORANCE OR ARE SO DESPERATE TO BELIEVE DIFFERENT
THEY ARE WILLING TO OVERLOOK THE LEGAL FACTS. No I am not shouting,
just trying to get your attention.
One more time, if, down the road, things didn't work out
or they wanted to seperate for any reason, each guy leaves with
the marbles he came with and his own ministry intact. These types
of agreements are not done with a handshake. They are done with
signed contracts. If DS was going anywhere these legal safeguards
on both sides would not have been put into place. There would
have been no need. For those of you who are highly educated but
are showing a lack of comprehension on this, put aside your education
and just try to see it with a little common sense.
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"Many Things on These Internet Websites Are Gossip and Unfounded"
Was pastor Doug's secretary referring to the documents
we have posted on Save3ABN.com, or to the assertions
of "tomatoe" on ChristianForums.com? The email she was responding to mentioned both websites.
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-------- Original Message --------
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Bonnie Ensminger |
| To: |
****** |
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FW: 3ABN Merger |
| Date: |
Tuesday, April 24, 2007 11:32:52 AM |
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Dear ******:
Thank you for taking the time to send us a note. Although both boards
of 3ABN and Amazing Facts have agreed in concept to this uniting, there
are still things to work out, such as the organizational, legal and
structural issues. As plans unfold, we will be posting updates on our
website. So check back often.
We do appreciate your continued prayers now more than ever as we make
this transition. Please be assured that all donations made to Amazing
Facts will stay with Amazing Facts. I would also caution you that many
things on these internet websites are gossip and unfounded.
It is our prayer that the Lord's coming will be hastened! And I am sure
that is what you want, too.
God bless you.
Bonnie Ensminger
Secretary to Doug Batchelor
President-Speaker
Amazing Facts Ministries
P.O. Box 1058 - Roseville, CA 95678
916-434-3880 Ext. 3009
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Which documents on our site did she think were unfounded?
In a follow-up phone conversation in regards to the above email, Pastor Doug's secretary is
reported to have said that she was referring to both Save3ABN.com and
BlackSDA.com, and that the information
on Save3ABN.com is not accurate, because Gailon is out to destroy 3ABN.
In another phone conversation she has been reported to have said that the Tommy Shelton child molestation
allegations and Danny's cover up of those allegations have nothing to do with Amazing Facts, and that those
are things that should be left for the courts to handle.
Of course, Pastor Doug's secretary could have been mistaken, and we trust that she was. Or perhaps the caller
didn't quite hear correctly. We wish, however, that we could soon hear something from Pastor Doug to that effect.
Regarding whether preachers and people should not raise questions about apparent violations of the seventh and
ninth commandments, and should instead leave such issues to the courts of the land and the state to preach about,
consider the final verse of the third angel's message:
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"Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
(Revelation 14:12)
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"We Need to Be a Little Patient"
The following email was received by a concerned individual, who passed on the reply to us.
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-------- Original Message --------
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****** |
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AUReporter |
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From Batchelor's Secretary |
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Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:26:25 -0400 |
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Dear _______,
Thank you for taking the time to send us a note. Although both boards
of 3ABN and Amazing Facts have agreed in concept to this uniting, there
are still things to work out, such as the organizational, legal and
structural issues. As plans unfold, we will be posting updates on our
website. So check back often and I think you will be happy as things
work out. God is leading in this transition, but we need to be a
little patient. I think you will be happy with the outcome.
We do appreciate your continued prayers now more than ever as we make
this transition.
It is our prayer that the Lord's coming will be hastened! And I am sure
that is what you want, too.
Bonnie Ensminger
Secretary to Doug Batchelor
President-Speaker
Amazing Facts Ministries
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One source that called Pastor Doug's secretary reported that we won't know some things
until the new board is formed that will make the decisions. In other words, we have to wait until the merger
is done before we will know if it will really solve the problems or just cover them all up.
What do you think we should we do in the meantime?
Regardless ...
Regardless of what we do, we plead with Pastor Doug to take a stand against sin in the camp, like Joe Crews
did in days of old. There are a lot of issues that maybe can slide, but how can Danny's lies to
cover up Tommy's allegations of child molestation be ignored? How can we turn a blind eye at his divorcing Linda
without biblical grounds? And how can we just carry on as if Danny never got remarried without producing
evidence that at some point after their divorce, Linda committed adultery?
Remember Joe's books, Creeping Compromise and Reaping the Whirlwind?
Even if you didn't agree with every stand he took, you had to admire a guy who not
only had convictions but also let his convictions be heard.
"Once to every man and nation,
Comes the moment to decide,
In the strife of truth with falsehood,
For the good or evil side."
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The greatest want of the world is the want of men—men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their
inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear
to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as
true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand
for the right though the heavens fall.
(Education, p. 57)
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