3ABN & Danny Shelton
v.
Gailon Joy & Robert Pickle
Plaintiff 3ABN's Requests for Production of Documents
and Things to Defendant Robert Pickle (First Set)
Document Request No. 5
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Request No. 5:
All postings, publications, messages, notes or other contributions
of text or dialogue that You have made to any internet website,
chat-room, private or public discussion forum, webblog, bulletin
board, or other internet repository, including but not limited
to BlackSDA.com, Maritime-SDA-Online.org, Save3ABN.com, ChristianForums.com,
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AbundantRest.org, ATomorrow.com, Yahoo, or Google,
relating to 3ABN, Danny Shelton, the www.Save3ABN.com website,
this litigation, or the subject matter of the instant dispute.
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Response by Defendant Pickle: We assume you actually mean
"Request No. 6," not "Request No. 5."
See auto-discovery materials.
In this response we highlight some of the initial postings from August 2006 regarding
the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton, and the alleged manner of the handling of the
resurfacing of those allegations in 2003. You can find these postings in multiple places in the
auto-discovery materials, including after this response in the Save3ABN.com
collection in the auto-discovery materials.
| 3ABN: Any truth in the "gossip" about Tommy? |
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| Bob Pickle |
#78419 - 08/14/06 12:03 AM |
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Thus far many of the accusations and allegations come from
posters whose true identities are unknown, and from sources who
are biased for one reason or another, with a possible ax to grind.
That doesn't mean that what they say isn't true. It just means
that what they say has to be taken with two grains of salt rather
than just one.
I therefore suggested to a pastor friend of mine that he
contact someone from Tommy's denomination and ask about the matter.
That way we can lay this rumor to rest once and for all.
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| Re: 3ABN: Any truth in the "gossip" about Tommy? |
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| Bob Pickle |
#78420 - 08/14/06 12:06 AM |
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An individual associated with the congregation formerly
pastored by Tommy Shelton in West Frankfort my friend contacted
wasn't that helpful, as far as laying things to rest goes. He
said that Tommy's ministerial license was revoked in the mid-1980's
in Illinois. People took sides, because some found it hard to
believe that Tommy would be guilty of such deeds. But eventually
enough evidence came to light that this offical has no doubts
that those things really happened.
My friend asked if the same things happened in Virginia,
as some claimed. He said that it appears that they did, but it
sounds like his reply was much less adamant as regarding the
mideeds in Illinois. So if we want to be super charitable, we
could confine our concerns to just Illinois.
The thing I found most disturbing, though, is that this
individual associated with the congregation formerly pastored
by Tommy Shelton in West Frankfort felt that he had a legal responsibility,
which he did, to inform Dr. Walt Thompson of this matter via
a letter in 2003. Now that was one year before 3ABN took the
moral stand of removing Linda for her alleged affair, and of
removing every reference of her name from their web site.
Is there anything that I have related above that has anything
to do with gossip? Or am I taking the high road and just relating
facts?
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Edited as requested by Bob Pickle. - Daryl
Edited by Daryl Fawcett (08/15/06 11:39 AM)
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| Re: 3ABN: Any truth in the "gossip" about Tommy? |
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| Bob Pickle |
#78421 - 08/14/06 12:15 AM |
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The individual associated with the congregation formerly
pastored by Tommy Shelton in West Frankfort my pastor friend
spoke with was more than knowledgeable about the situation in
Illinois. He did not get two Tommy Sheltons mixed up. He spoke
of a letter that had to be sent to quite a few of the churches
there later on.
Your post highlights a serious problem with much of what
is posted on blacksda.com. There are only hints of where someone
can go to get the evidence that supports the allegations, but
the evidence itself is largely missing. I feel that is wrong.
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Edited as requested by Bob Pickle. - Daryl
Edited by Daryl Fawcett (08/15/06 11:45 AM)
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| Re: 3ABN: Any truth in the "gossip" about Tommy? |
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| Bob Pickle |
#78427 - 08/14/06 09:47 AM |
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Quote:
If you do not see the reason for not giving more "evidence" on
BSDA than we do, then pastor or not, I do not have much respect
for your sensitivity to the innocent victims of the perpetrators.
That is uncalled for.
I'm not the pastor there, I'm not in the conference office
there. It is not my responsibility to actually do anything because
I'm not the one in charge, and I have no direct involvement with
any of the relevant parties.
But I thought I would check up on a couple facts since those
facts weren't being presented on these forums. And the response
I got from Hal Steenson at ASI was an encouragement to probe
a little further.
But for me to devote hours and hours digging up concrete
documentation that a number of posters should have been providing
long ago, God hasn't laid upon my shoulders the duty of doing
their work for them. It has nothing to do with insensitivity.
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| Re: 3ABN: Any truth in the "gossip" about Tommy? |
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| Bob Pickle |
#78428 - 08/14/06 09:52 AM |
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I'll be a little more explicit about my comment about evidence
being largely missing. While links to CoG web sites were provided,
thus giving a researcher a tip for where to go for more information,
there were no quotes from CoG officials.
A link isn't evidence. A quote from a more neutral source
is. A newspaper article or a police report would be. A signed
statement from a CoG victim would be.
But when you have 3ABN saying that everything is just lies,
then the allegations of the alleged liars, some anonymous and
some not, cannot be considered concrete evidence. It certainly
isn't concrete documentation.
Edited by Bob Pickle (08/14/06 11:49 AM)
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| Re: 3ABN: Any truth in the "gossip" about Tommy? |
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| Bob Pickle |
#78439 - 08/15/06 05:16 PM |
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Do a search for "Shelton" on those other two pages, and you'll find him easily.
Increased secrecy meant a change from an anonymous "xxxxxx" to an anonymous individual.
Quote:
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until
the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things
of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts:
and then shall every man have praise of God.
The day is coming when there will be no anonymity, and if that
scares some people to think that God will one day reveal everything,
they better get right with Him without delay.
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